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		<title>By: Joe Kissell</title>
		<link>http://joekissell.com/2007/08/08/new-mac-storage-limits-still-way-behind/comment-page-1/#comment-249</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Kissell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Henri:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m aware of the &quot;do-it-yourself-.Mac&quot; concept, but it requires considerable technical skills - and if you already have those skills (and are running a suitable server that supports WebDAV), you&#039;re probably not in Apple&#039;s target audience for .Mac anyway!&lt;/p&gt;
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<p></p><p>Henri:</p>

<p>I&#8217;m aware of the &#8220;do-it-yourself-.Mac&#8221; concept, but it requires considerable technical skills &#8211; and if you already have those skills (and are running a suitable server that supports WebDAV), you&#8217;re probably not in Apple&#8217;s target audience for .Mac anyway!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Kissell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Kissell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Henri:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m aware of the &quot;do-it-yourself-.Mac&quot; concept, but it requires considerable technical skills - and if you already have those skills (and are running a suitable server that supports WebDAV), you&#039;re probably not in Apple&#039;s target audience for .Mac anyway!&lt;/p&gt;
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<p></p><p>Henri:</p>

<p>I&#8217;m aware of the &#8220;do-it-yourself-.Mac&#8221; concept, but it requires considerable technical skills &#8211; and if you already have those skills (and are running a suitable server that supports WebDAV), you&#8217;re probably not in Apple&#8217;s target audience for .Mac anyway!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Kissell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Kissell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Henri:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m sorry to say there&#039;s no such thing as a Service Level Agreement with .Mac. You get whatever you get, and even technical support is sometimes hard to come by.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p></p><p>Henri:</p>

<p>I&#8217;m sorry to say there&#8217;s no such thing as a Service Level Agreement with .Mac. You get whatever you get, and even technical support is sometimes hard to come by.</p>
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		<title>By: Henri Dominique rapin</title>
		<link>http://joekissell.com/2007/08/08/new-mac-storage-limits-still-way-behind/comment-page-1/#comment-247</link>
		<dc:creator>Henri Dominique rapin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You might be aware of this : it cost less...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.tnpi.biz/computing/mac/tips/idisk/idisk-v2.shtml&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Found in www.macosxhints.com.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;HDR&lt;/p&gt;
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<p></p><p>You might be aware of this : it cost less&#8230;</p>

<p><a href="http://www.tnpi.biz/computing/mac/tips/idisk/idisk-v2.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.tnpi.biz/computing/mac/tips/idisk/idisk-v2.shtml</a></p>

<p>Found in <a href="http://www.macosxhints.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.macosxhints.com</a>.</p>

<p>HDR</p>
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		<title>By: Henri Dominique rapin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henri Dominique rapin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You might be aware of this : it cost less...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.tnpi.biz/computing/mac/tips/idisk/idisk-v2.shtml&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Found in www.macosxhints.com.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;HDR&lt;/p&gt;
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<p></p><p>You might be aware of this : it cost less&#8230;</p>

<p><a href="http://www.tnpi.biz/computing/mac/tips/idisk/idisk-v2.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.tnpi.biz/computing/mac/tips/idisk/idisk-v2.shtml</a></p>

<p>Found in <a href="http://www.macosxhints.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.macosxhints.com</a>.</p>

<p>HDR</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Kissell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Kissell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Henri:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m sorry to say there&#039;s no such thing as a Service Level Agreement with .Mac. You get whatever you get, and even technical support is sometimes hard to come by.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p></p><p>Henri:</p>

<p>I&#8217;m sorry to say there&#8217;s no such thing as a Service Level Agreement with .Mac. You get whatever you get, and even technical support is sometimes hard to come by.</p>
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		<title>By: Henri Dominique rapin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henri Dominique rapin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Joe,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;With the Family subscription of &quot;.Mac&quot; yout get an 20 Gb of space disk, 10 Gb for the main account and the rest for the others account setup in &quot;.Mac&quot;. Even so it&#039;s expensive for the disk space.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I haven&#039;t been able to get the customer policies or SLA from Apple regarding the commitment on this &quot;.Mac&quot; service.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Cost should be based on SLA, SLA are based on Technical solutions, and those might explain the cost ...&lt;/p&gt;
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<p></p><p>Joe,</p>

<p>With the Family subscription of &#8220;.Mac&#8221; yout get an 20 Gb of space disk, 10 Gb for the main account and the rest for the others account setup in &#8220;.Mac&#8221;. Even so it&#8217;s expensive for the disk space.</p>

<p>I haven&#8217;t been able to get the customer policies or SLA from Apple regarding the commitment on this &#8220;.Mac&#8221; service.</p>

<p>Cost should be based on SLA, SLA are based on Technical solutions, and those might explain the cost &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Henri Dominique rapin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henri Dominique rapin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Joe,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;With the Family subscription of &quot;.Mac&quot; yout get an 20 Gb of space disk, 10 Gb for the main account and the rest for the others account setup in &quot;.Mac&quot;. Even so it&#039;s expensive for the disk space.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I haven&#039;t been able to get the customer policies or SLA from Apple regarding the commitment on this &quot;.Mac&quot; service.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Cost should be based on SLA, SLA are based on Technical solutions, and those might explain the cost ...&lt;/p&gt;
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<p></p><p>Joe,</p>

<p>With the Family subscription of &#8220;.Mac&#8221; yout get an 20 Gb of space disk, 10 Gb for the main account and the rest for the others account setup in &#8220;.Mac&#8221;. Even so it&#8217;s expensive for the disk space.</p>

<p>I haven&#8217;t been able to get the customer policies or SLA from Apple regarding the commitment on this &#8220;.Mac&#8221; service.</p>

<p>Cost should be based on SLA, SLA are based on Technical solutions, and those might explain the cost &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Kissell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Kissell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Eric: Cool. I&#039;ll be very interested to see how well they compete. The more the merrier, especially if it means lower prices.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p></p><p>Eric: Cool. I&#8217;ll be very interested to see how well they compete. The more the merrier, especially if it means lower prices.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Kissell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Kissell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Eric: Cool. I&#039;ll be very interested to see how well they compete. The more the merrier, especially if it means lower prices.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Eric Suesz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Suesz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Joe,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There is a new storage provider opening up shop soon, although I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if you already heard about them. They aim to compete with Amazon.com: http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/07/nirvanix-to-challenge-amazon-s3/&lt;/p&gt;
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<p></p><p>Joe,</p>

<p>There is a new storage provider opening up shop soon, although I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if you already heard about them. They aim to compete with Amazon.com: <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/07/nirvanix-to-challenge-amazon-s3/" rel="nofollow">http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/07/nirvanix-to-challenge-amazon-s3/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eric Suesz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Suesz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Joe,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There is a new storage provider opening up shop soon, although I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if you already heard about them. They aim to compete with Amazon.com: http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/07/nirvanix-to-challenge-amazon-s3/&lt;/p&gt;
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<p></p><p>Joe,</p>

<p>There is a new storage provider opening up shop soon, although I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if you already heard about them. They aim to compete with Amazon.com: <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/07/nirvanix-to-challenge-amazon-s3/" rel="nofollow">http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/07/nirvanix-to-challenge-amazon-s3/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Dornquast</title>
		<link>http://joekissell.com/2007/08/08/new-mac-storage-limits-still-way-behind/comment-page-1/#comment-241</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Dornquast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Colin,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think your concern is warranted.  Any time you trust the &quot;cloud&quot; to be the only place for something, you&#039;re at least dependent, at most at risk.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So If .mac isn&#039;t providing value, others will enter the space and compete with apple on price and services.  Two great examples are&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;MarkSpace&#039;s synctogether has done a fantastic job of providing a key service.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The box.net guys are also very interesting.  Their socially savvy storage is amazing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;~Mattehw&lt;/p&gt;
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<p></p><p>Colin,</p>

<p>I think your concern is warranted.  Any time you trust the &#8220;cloud&#8221; to be the only place for something, you&#8217;re at least dependent, at most at risk.</p>

<p>So If .mac isn&#8217;t providing value, others will enter the space and compete with apple on price and services.  Two great examples are</p>

<p>MarkSpace&#8217;s synctogether has done a fantastic job of providing a key service.</p>

<p>The box.net guys are also very interesting.  Their socially savvy storage is amazing.</p>

<p>~Mattehw</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Dornquast</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Dornquast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Colin,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think your concern is warranted.  Any time you trust the &quot;cloud&quot; to be the only place for something, you&#039;re at least dependent, at most at risk.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So If .mac isn&#039;t providing value, others will enter the space and compete with apple on price and services.  Two great examples are&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;MarkSpace&#039;s synctogether has done a fantastic job of providing a key service.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The box.net guys are also very interesting.  Their socially savvy storage is amazing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;~Mattehw&lt;/p&gt;
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<p></p><p>Colin,</p>

<p>I think your concern is warranted.  Any time you trust the &#8220;cloud&#8221; to be the only place for something, you&#8217;re at least dependent, at most at risk.</p>

<p>So If .mac isn&#8217;t providing value, others will enter the space and compete with apple on price and services.  Two great examples are</p>

<p>MarkSpace&#8217;s synctogether has done a fantastic job of providing a key service.</p>

<p>The box.net guys are also very interesting.  Their socially savvy storage is amazing.</p>

<p>~Mattehw</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Kissell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Kissell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Colin: Only time will tell how long any of these other companies will be in business, but there&#039;s no a priori reason to assume it won&#039;t be plenty long enough. As for Apple, sure, they&#039;ll hold onto your data forever, but they&#039;ll also charge you $100 every year (and good luck talking to a real human being if you lose your data or have other problems). So, I certainly wish their competitors the best of luck!&lt;/p&gt;
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<p></p><p>Colin: Only time will tell how long any of these other companies will be in business, but there&#8217;s no a priori reason to assume it won&#8217;t be plenty long enough. As for Apple, sure, they&#8217;ll hold onto your data forever, but they&#8217;ll also charge you $100 every year (and good luck talking to a real human being if you lose your data or have other problems). So, I certainly wish their competitors the best of luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Kissell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Kissell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Colin: Only time will tell how long any of these other companies will be in business, but there&#039;s no a priori reason to assume it won&#039;t be plenty long enough. As for Apple, sure, they&#039;ll hold onto your data forever, but they&#039;ll also charge you $100 every year (and good luck talking to a real human being if you lose your data or have other problems). So, I certainly wish their competitors the best of luck!&lt;/p&gt;
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<p></p><p>Colin: Only time will tell how long any of these other companies will be in business, but there&#8217;s no a priori reason to assume it won&#8217;t be plenty long enough. As for Apple, sure, they&#8217;ll hold onto your data forever, but they&#8217;ll also charge you $100 every year (and good luck talking to a real human being if you lose your data or have other problems). So, I certainly wish their competitors the best of luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I use both Mozy and Crashplan.  But I keep asking myself:  how long will these (and other options) be in business?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I suspect .Mac has a better chance of long-term stability than any of the others mentioned.  OK, maybe Amazon&#039;s S3 has a better chance.  But it is not for the average user. :-)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And as you mention, the real killer is UPSTREAM b/w.  Even with 5 Mb/s at home off-site backups are slow.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Colin&lt;/p&gt;
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<p></p><p>I use both Mozy and Crashplan.  But I keep asking myself:  how long will these (and other options) be in business?</p>

<p>I suspect .Mac has a better chance of long-term stability than any of the others mentioned.  OK, maybe Amazon&#8217;s S3 has a better chance.  But it is not for the average user. :-)</p>

<p>And as you mention, the real killer is UPSTREAM b/w.  Even with 5 Mb/s at home off-site backups are slow.</p>

<p>Colin</p>
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		<link>http://joekissell.com/2007/08/08/new-mac-storage-limits-still-way-behind/comment-page-1/#comment-834</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I use both Mozy and Crashplan.  But I keep asking myself:  how long will these (and other options) be in business?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I suspect .Mac has a better chance of long-term stability than any of the others mentioned.  OK, maybe Amazon&#039;s S3 has a better chance.  But it is not for the average user. :-)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And as you mention, the real killer is UPSTREAM b/w.  Even with 5 Mb/s at home off-site backups are slow.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Colin&lt;/p&gt;
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<p></p><p>I use both Mozy and Crashplan.  But I keep asking myself:  how long will these (and other options) be in business?</p>

<p>I suspect .Mac has a better chance of long-term stability than any of the others mentioned.  OK, maybe Amazon&#8217;s S3 has a better chance.  But it is not for the average user. :-)</p>

<p>And as you mention, the real killer is UPSTREAM b/w.  Even with 5 Mb/s at home off-site backups are slow.</p>

<p>Colin</p>
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